Synchronicity: Honoring the Sacred and Profane with Andras Jones

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once you get that synchronicity feels

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good and you pursue that.

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It leads you towards intelligence.

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It leads you towards compassion and not in a way of like, you should do this.

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It's like, no, I want to feel good.

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I want more synchronicities.

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So I'm going to pay more attention.

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If I pay more attention, I'm going to feel more things.

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And if I feel more things, I'm going to think better about them and yeah,

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and then it just keeps, keeps going.

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And that's why the sacred and the profane,

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Welcome to a lone travelers guide to the divine, a podcast for

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empaths, healers, dreamers, and seekers.

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My name is Amanda Lux and I'm the creator of the elevation hive,

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school and community membership for energy medicine and dream.

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In this podcast, I offer teachings, poetry, songs, interviews,

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and inspiration to support you wherever you are on your path.

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Today is a special interview with Andras Jones, who is a synchronicity artist.

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Andras is a singer songwriter, actor, author, podcaster of his current show.

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The world is wrong and of the infamous radio eight ball.

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Which started out on live college radio and evolved over 20 years,

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time to being both a filmed and live onstage event, as well as a podcast

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with over 700 episodes and its own app, which is super cool by the way.

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And you should totally, totally check that out.

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Andras and I go way back and I was fortunate enough to get to

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participate on multiple occasions over the past decade as a sacred usher.

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For his live radio eight ball show where I would be holding space for the

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often silly irreverent, yet profound happenings that would occur as a result

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of this synchronicity game Andras.

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And I talk about this and we also discuss the power of.

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Living in synchronicity and how the sacred and profane are equally

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as valid and important polarities to honor in one's pursuit of and

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appreciation for synchronicity.

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We demonstrate how radio eight ball works by actually playing the game.

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In this episode, engaging with the app, asking real questions and

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divining the answers through music, which is hilarious, fun, and profound.

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So it's a little bit of a longer than usual episode, but it's full of.

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Really cool music that I wouldn't normally play.

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Lots of synchronicity and fun, and there's even a few twists and I

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look forward to engaging with you after you have given it a listen.

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So I hope you will listen through and weigh in on your

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response to the pop Oracle.

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So here is Andras Jones.

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Thank you for being here and making the space.

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I do feel really honored to get, to have this conversation with you , I

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wanted to invite you to be on this show.

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Number one, you had reached out to me right before I went to Puerto Rico and

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you offered me a book your father's book about dreams, the dream poet.

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And I mean, even the name itself just like drew me in.

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I'm like, oh man, that's great because I love poetry.

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I love the poetry of life.

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And I love dreams.

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You've listened to this podcast.

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And you said there is some similarities crossover, and I fully, fully felt that

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as I was reading it and felt really honored that you saw that , and that

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you let me take the book and I have carried it with me through Puerto

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Rico and through various airports.

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And in Mexico, , Richard

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M.

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Jones, his name search for it.

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And you will find many disparate strands and it might not lead you to them.

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But if you look for Richard Jones, the dream poet, you can find copies.

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And unless I find them before you, in which case I'm

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going to buy them up, right.

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Gathered them.

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So I can give them to people who are drawn synchronistically into my web,

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who I feel really need to, or not need to, but will benefit or enjoy his

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work and feel like he was a teacher.

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He was a professor at evergreen, right.

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It was the, one of the founding faculty at evergreen.

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What was sort of the most fundamentally radical thing about evergreen was

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one of his, I wouldn't say it's his contribution, but his team's contribution,

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which is the sort of education for its own sake, kind of quality, which may

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or may not still be a factor there.

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If you listen to the old timers, it's definitely not a, we're doing a lot of

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cryptic talking, which I feel like I've been told it can be scary to, like,

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I don't want to tease the listeners.

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I'm not trying to do that.

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It's just, I feel like considering that our connection.

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Radio eight ball and sacred ushering and synchronicity.

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And we're already just in the first bit of this talking about

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my father and his book, right?

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Yeah.

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Ma one of his, but I, the reason I say it's his book because it's the

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one dedicated to me and my brother.

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And so I grew up with this book and it was when I was a baby and

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a young child, he was writing it.

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And then it was the first book of his that came out when I was conscious.

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And so as someone who puts out products, records, films, books of my own episodes

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of podcasts, that was the first release that I ever experienced, uh, which

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since my dad was a Freudian, he would get a huge kick out of that was the

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first release I ever experienced.

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That's great.

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Yes.

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Well, and I do want to touch on more of our history and connection.

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, but I also want to just give you the opportunity to introduce yourself.

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You have so many different things that you do.

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Like you mentioned podcasting and your radio eight ball show

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and then film and current film coming out and historical films.

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So I don't know.

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Is, is there anything you want to say about just, could you

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share about the context of you?

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What I would say is that people who are interested in that in

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the context of me, there's a website that will, you'll be able to find.

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If you look up my name on draft jones.com, but it's called previously yours.com.

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Uh, my band was called Mr.

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Jones and the previous, we went through many names.

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And if you really want to know, what's fundamental to me and has

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always been fundamental to me.

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It's that songs and songwriting.

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That's where I had my first real experience at synchronicity.

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And then.

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Somehow that led to creating radio eight ball, which was holding space

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for all these other songwriters to have their songs be in this a bubbling

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fountain of synchronicity around where their songs are, the bubbles.

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And I did that for a long time.

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And so the synchronicity works seems tied to that.

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And even songwriting, I feel like is kind of what made, made me an actor

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because the first monologues I ever learned were songs that I learned to

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sing to myself, walking home from school.

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This is back before when we had anyone had headphones for anything to walk with.

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I had a bone phone.

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You remember, you probably are too.

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A bone phone was just basically a scarf with speakers.

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And you had your super cool.

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It wasn't that cool I've looked them up, but they're may, they

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were made out of some sort of like totally chemical, like rain kind of thing.

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So they've all deteriorated.

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You can't find a

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bone phones from, well, and I love the, you know,

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synchronicity is going to be coming up.

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That's definitely, I would say that's, that's it.

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It's my, that's my that's the art form that I've focused

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on that is unique to most people.

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Right?

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Uh, a lot of people act, I love acting, which I feel like is synchronistic

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work and I love songwriting and I like writing sometimes.

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It's, it's harder.

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Once you've learned, once you've been able to put music onto your words, the words.

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I feel pretty, uh, naked against, uh, a

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cool, oh man.

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I think you're an excellent writer.

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I love your, your way with language and you have at least

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one book that I know of for sure.

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The accidental initiation and I love how you go into the

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kabbalistic tree of Olympia.

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It's there.

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I will actually, right before, one of the things I did today was I went for

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a bike ride around the base of it.

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And that was it's.

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It's amazing to have.

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So I should explain that a cop for, for those who don't know the cobblistic.

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Uh, do you have a, do you have a website or anything at this?

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You could just take a picture of this image before you leave

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and post it with the podcast.

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So I can just, if you're interested, you guys look on the podcast notes

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and the cobblistic tree is this image, which many different systems

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of belief see it as a very useful map of consciousness, which is great for,

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uh, going back to my father's work.

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My, my dad was a dream psychologist who learned how to clinically treat

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people using dreams and then realized that dreams could be equally and maybe

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even more valuable to people who don't need to be clinically treated and

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just want to use them to make their lives richer and more fulfilling.

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And that was the essence of his education.

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And in a way, the cobblistic tree can be used the same way you

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can use it to solve a problem.

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Or to try and pinpoint a problem or to try and get something or find heal something.

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And if you know where one is built into a place that you live, and since

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the Freemasons built this country and built a whole bunch of them, usually

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into capital cities of which Olympia is one or just capital grounds,

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state grounds, like old state houses, things like that, you'll find them.

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And then just walking in one also can be useful to get or do or solve or heal.

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But it's also just experientially.

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Wonderful.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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Well, especially when you bring that consciousness to it, because, you know,

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I walked around the area of that or gone on runs around there for years and years.

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And before I met you in new, and then you introduced me to that.

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And the significance of the different locations along it and how you can kind

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of hold your consciousness there and the way that the conversations you and

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I have had many walks and talks around that and the way the conversation flows

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when you're in certain areas and how that relates is the coolest thing.

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So I love that you wrote about that and shared it and, , and then

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also have taken groups of people.

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Have you done that recently taking people on walks around it?

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Uh, I used to, I guess this gets to like Y uh,

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sort of a sea change in my work.

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So I've been building, I built radio eight ball for like 20 years.

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I started it on chaos, K O S and Olympia in 1998 radio station.

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It's a, it's the community, the college station, the community station

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housed at the evergreen state college.

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And so I started radio eight ball.

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On chaos in 1998, when I come back to Olympia after living in Hollywood

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and doing movies and putting out records and having a band, like

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convince my band to come back here.

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Cause my dad got very ill and uh Alzheimer's and it was a long

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drawn out and this is definitely an accidental initiation.

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And so I came back and I found myself here and part of my mourning process, once

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he was gone was to go back to evergreen.

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And that's how I got involved in chaos.

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And then they sort of naturally evolved this format of we've been referencing.

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I should say what it is now of asking question and picking a song

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at random and then interpreting it like a musical taro card.

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And if you're listening and saying, I do that all the time, it's

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like, yes, yes, of course you do.

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And because it's a very, we all do that all the time.

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Those of us who are, who are the kind of people who would listen to a podcast

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like this, if you are connected to dreams and synchronicity at art and.

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And whether you intentionally do it or you just, it just happens.

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Yes.

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And buy it.

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What I'm assuming is you mean, like you're thinking about something or you have an

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issue, an active issue or a question or something in your life that's happening.

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And in that moment, a song comes on and you're like, oh my gosh, this song is

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totally speaking to me about exactly what I need to hear in this moment.

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It's giving me a message.

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Like the universe is speaking through this music

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as if it was your dream as if it was your

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dream.

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But what I will say to you is that my experience is that

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when you gather people together to do that experience together, whether

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it's in a room together or on a radio station, broadcasting to people who

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were experiencing it at that moment.

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And I think to some degree to a podcast though, I'm still not entirely

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sure it magnifies that experience.

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And this is where we get to sacred.

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Ushering is.

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Over the years radiate ball had, has had many iterations started on a radio

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on a late night radio show where we just play CDs on shuffle function.

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So people would call in we'd play CDs on truffle function.

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We didn't even intend to have that.

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Be the show with the idea was just, we were going to play

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CDs on shuffle function, right.

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And then the Oracle, the pop Oracle, as I call it just started talking to

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us and started answering questions.

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We didn't even know we'd asked or were responding to things that we

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were saying in between the songs.

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And then people started calling in and it was, it was so incredibly organic.

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Like, you know, just like opening up a vein or, or striking oil.

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Both of those are really terrible, uh, analogies, but just for like, like I

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didn't, I was just fooling around and then all of a sudden it's like, oh my

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God, we're drowning in this abundance.

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It's incredible.

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I guess blood and oil are both symbols of abundance.

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And when you realize that it just flows from just from doing this thing.

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Uh, well, I was more blown away than my co-host was.

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He was sort of blown out of it just sort of was like, ah,

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like we did it for a while.

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It was fun, but he was like, I wrote a theme song and I

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started to really get into it.

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And he's like, I just wanted to play CDs on shuffle function, man.

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I know I didn't want to start a new religion.

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Not that I ever have ever intent.

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That's been never my intention.

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In fact, the opposite was the idea is to keep it as profane on its face as

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possible and keep it as sacred behind the scenes as possible, which brings us

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to sacred ushering was when I started to do this as a live show with a live

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band and celebrities Skyping in and people from the audience coming up

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and asking questions and filming it and holding space for a lot in, yeah.

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I came up with the idea that there should be a group of people who are holding

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energy for the audience, for the band.

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And for me, you need to, all three legs of the stool are equally deserving of

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not being broken because otherwise it's a very, it's not a, it's a squeaky stool.

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And you were one of these.

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Yes.

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You were one of these sacred ushers.

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You were, I would say that at this point, as it's proven out, you're the

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owner, you were the only sacred usher.

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There were, there were a lot of people who got to who got cast in

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the role, but you're the only one who has fulfilled on my vision for it.

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And your podcast.

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That's what struck me is like this.

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You are.

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It's still doing it, right.

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You're still doing, in fact, you're doing radiate ball better because

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I don't want to say better because I want that that's an insult again,

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that's a, it's insulting the chair.

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Like all those people, all the musicians, everyone who contributed to it was so

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great, but I you're the person who I see continuing the synchronicity work.

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I woke up this morning thinking, I wonder if Amanda's the next host of radio eight

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ball because eventually I really that's.

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My next goal is to, is to hand it off to be.

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I would like to be the musician for awhile and let someone else

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be the host of radio eight ball.

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But as we may get into it's really, it's not an easy path.

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And so maybe that's why sacred ushers are so necessary.

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So could you explain what you felt like sacred ushering was?

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Yeah.

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Well, , I loved your vision.

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I thought radio eight ball was super cool idea , , And when you described to me

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that role of just holding space, like you said, for the audience for, you know, I

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think having a really, , good integrity within the container is essential for any

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kind of magic to occur in a safe place.

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Right.

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And by magic, I don't mean something beyond what's natural, ? I mean,

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having a conscious field where we understand that more than entertainment

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is happening, this could be triggering somebody's healing process.

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This could be, , life changing life altering and indefinitely is altering

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because you're bringing in a level of awareness and depth that alters your.

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Right.

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So how I felt my role as the sacred usher of your show was to, , hold

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that consciousness around the integrity of the container so that

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the whatever needed to happen could happen for the highest good, right.

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That was sort of my spell, whatever for the highest good.

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And I'm here to be a witness I'm here to be entertained.

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And I see one thing I loved about radio eight ball too, was that it

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doesn't separate the, irreverent profane from the sacred, right.

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And the, and the deep and profound, so that they're kind

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of married in that experience.

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And oftentimes the song in answer to a very serious.

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Question was really silly, but within that sacred fool energy is so much

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richness and great art in my opinion.

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So, and that's definitely been a contemplation of mine today, just knowing

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that we were doing this interview.

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And, , just thinking about what to me is great art, and I really appreciate

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that you bring those two elements, those two polarities in of the entertainment,

Amanda Lux: 00:19:55

, just trying to bring something that's so sacred and true and real and

Amanda Lux: 00:19:59

divinatory into Hollywood or onto the air or into an entertainment realm

Amanda Lux: 00:20:04

I was reading about that, how you describe the radio eight ball show and that in our

Amanda Lux: 00:20:10

current culture, we've lost a bit of a.

Amanda Lux: 00:20:13

Active listening, you know, to, especially to independent music.

Amanda Lux: 00:20:17

Right.

Amanda Lux: 00:20:18

And so you were really intentionally featuring artists that you felt

Amanda Lux: 00:20:23

had integrity and, , inviting an opportunity to pay attention,

Amanda Lux: 00:20:27

to really listen to the music.

Amanda Lux: 00:20:29

So it makes sense to me that you're, you also want to be on that end of it, right?

Amanda Lux: 00:20:33

Like music needs to be heard.

Andras Jones: 00:20:36

I mean, yeah.

Andras Jones: 00:20:36

I think I met you after I put that down, but I've been doing that for like that's.

Andras Jones: 00:20:43

I mean, I, that was my main thing I put out, like before I probably met

Andras Jones: 00:20:47

you, I'd put up 10 records toward the country, multiple times, always

Andras Jones: 00:20:53

trying to do it and sort of with the same, with the same spirit.

Andras Jones: 00:20:55

I didn't, I didn't know that I was a synchronicity artist.

Andras Jones: 00:20:59

Right.

Andras Jones: 00:20:59

Uh, but same kind of thing, everyone in my band.

Andras Jones: 00:21:04

Superstars who are all of course going to go on to do much cooler and better things.

Andras Jones: 00:21:10

And that's, that's hard and that's a hard road to travel.

Andras Jones: 00:21:14

And maybe what makes me sympathetic to it's really just the artists who

Andras Jones: 00:21:18

are not listened to, you know, and the songs that are not listened to.

Andras Jones: 00:21:22

And the, and it's, I don't want to use war analogies, but it is sort of a battle

Andras Jones: 00:21:28

against the talkers in the audience.

Andras Jones: 00:21:32

And what I found was that if you ask a question, this is

Andras Jones: 00:21:35

what I found well into that.

Andras Jones: 00:21:37

Could we be doing radio eight ball for other reasons for a long time, but once

Andras Jones: 00:21:40

we did it on stage, and I realized that if you ask a question and spin a wheel,

Andras Jones: 00:21:45

and then especially if there's someone really there, like someone gets up and is

Andras Jones: 00:21:48

like, is my relationship going to work?

Andras Jones: 00:21:51

Right?

Andras Jones: 00:21:51

And then you spin a wheel.

Andras Jones: 00:21:53

People do not talk through the song and they're not doing it out of respect.

Andras Jones: 00:21:57

For anything except their own fear for their own relationship and their own hope

Andras Jones: 00:22:01

for this person and all this other stuff,

Amanda Lux: 00:22:04

curiosity, curiosity, you're listening with active curiosity.

Amanda Lux: 00:22:09

And that's what I think I love the most.

Amanda Lux: 00:22:11

I love curiosity and I love synchronicity.

Amanda Lux: 00:22:15

It's built into everything, but having curiosity is vital

Amanda Lux: 00:22:19

to noticing it, to honoring it.

Amanda Lux: 00:22:21

Right.

Amanda Lux: 00:22:21

And I felt like that show in that space really cultivated that a sense

Amanda Lux: 00:22:26

of curiosity, playfulness, , it was play it's playful and that's great.

Amanda Lux: 00:22:32

I think that's important.

Amanda Lux: 00:22:33

, but it's also sacred and deep and true, real stuff happened,

Amanda Lux: 00:22:37

, every time I was like, wow.

Andras Jones: 00:22:39

Yeah.

Andras Jones: 00:22:39

And then if you add recording into the bargain, that adds a whole other level of.

Andras Jones: 00:22:48

I can't tell you how many times I've gone back to a show that I, or a reading

Andras Jones: 00:22:51

that I thought was bad and realized that it was speaking to the, to me

Andras Jones: 00:22:56

personally, and to the state of the world at that time in ways that nobody in

Andras Jones: 00:23:01

that room at that time could have known.

Andras Jones: 00:23:04

And that's the experience with every one of them really.

Andras Jones: 00:23:08

So one at a certain point, you develop, you develop faith, faith in that your

Andras Jones: 00:23:15

judgment of how good or relevant or valuable things are, can be totally off.

Andras Jones: 00:23:21

And that's a freeing thing because your worst day could be the exact right

Andras Jones: 00:23:30

thing that is needed in that moment.

Andras Jones: 00:23:32

And.

Andras Jones: 00:23:33

If you can get over your ego about it, which time will do to you.

Andras Jones: 00:23:36

It's cause it's easier to say I was so stupid then, then you'd be

Andras Jones: 00:23:40

like, I'm so stupid now, especially on, yeah, that was the hard part.

Andras Jones: 00:23:46

We did.

Andras Jones: 00:23:46

People came to it, expecting an entertainment thing.

Andras Jones: 00:23:49

And that's why I tried to have the shake rushers there to give some

Andras Jones: 00:23:51

people a little heads up as they walked in and some people had turned off.

Andras Jones: 00:23:54

They were like, oh, this is what is this weird thing.

Andras Jones: 00:23:56

But I still felt like that's better than people coming in and being

Andras Jones: 00:24:00

like, I've had bad experiences.

Andras Jones: 00:24:03

People show up thinking, they're going to see that artist show and they get

Andras Jones: 00:24:06

something else because one of the worst experiences I've ever had on stage,

Andras Jones: 00:24:11

we had Mira and she played in LA.

Andras Jones: 00:24:14

It was this big theater and like 300 Mira fans showed up

Andras Jones: 00:24:17

expecting to see a mirror show.

Andras Jones: 00:24:18

And they had some dude with a wheel asking questions and the wheel mess with

Andras Jones: 00:24:24

me because that was, I used to do that.

Andras Jones: 00:24:26

We had a Zodiac wheel.

Andras Jones: 00:24:28

Now we have a wheel of one through eight, but we used a Zodiac wheel.

Andras Jones: 00:24:31

Did you ever, you were there for Zodiac wheel shows?

Andras Jones: 00:24:35

Uh, but in the middle of it was a radio weight thing and that's

Andras Jones: 00:24:39

when I would have my song come up.

Andras Jones: 00:24:42

So my song came up like three times the last one they're

Andras Jones: 00:24:48

like, we're all just watching.

Andras Jones: 00:24:50

Everyone's like

Andras Jones: 00:24:55

And like the audience by the end was actively hostile to me.

Andras Jones: 00:25:00

And Amir is one of my favorite artists.

Andras Jones: 00:25:02

I'm a mirror fan.

Andras Jones: 00:25:06

That was one of the words that was really, he was one of the worst nights of my life.

Andras Jones: 00:25:09

It was like it just, and the fallout from, as you like imagined getting

Andras Jones: 00:25:14

that energy from one person that you care about their opinion, but okay.

Andras Jones: 00:25:19

That energy.

Andras Jones: 00:25:21

And I'd been, you know, you'd been putting everything into building

Andras Jones: 00:25:24

this up for eight weeks of promotion.

Andras Jones: 00:25:26

We have Mira, it's going to be great.

Andras Jones: 00:25:28

It's spring in LA.

Andras Jones: 00:25:29

And the metaphor of that

Andras Jones: 00:25:36

has forged me.

Andras Jones: 00:25:38

You know, there are things that I'm not scared of, that I used to be

Andras Jones: 00:25:42

more scared of and there's things that I can just be like that ain't

Andras Jones: 00:25:48

no big thing because that's very

Amanda Lux: 00:25:53

powerful thinking about it.

Amanda Lux: 00:25:55

I know, I know that that's part of your story and your walk, you know, that

Amanda Lux: 00:26:00

you've moved through quite a few fires and that has forged you in many, many ways.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:07

Yeah.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:07

And with your show, starting with KAOS and having to not

Amanda Lux: 00:26:13

have your show there anymore.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:15

Just going on and on.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:16

There's been, I know that you've dealt with that throughout your time.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:18

And that in some ways I love that that aspect of your story

Amanda Lux: 00:26:23

or your walk or your history has informed your art in so many ways.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:29

And your current podcast, the world is wrong.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:36

Do you want

Andras Jones: 00:26:36

to say anything about it?

Andras Jones: 00:26:37

Well, the world is wrong is an extremely positive podcast where we celebrate films.

Andras Jones: 00:26:42

The world is wrong about, so the movies that you hear, what I would

Andras Jones: 00:26:48

refer to as bullies, other people might refer to them as critics.

Andras Jones: 00:26:52

And some people might refer to them as just audiences with strong opinions.

Andras Jones: 00:26:56

I still call them bullies because the films can't fight back.

Andras Jones: 00:26:59

And our whole idea is we talk about films.

Andras Jones: 00:27:01

We like, and if there's no such thing as a guilty pleasure, if you like.

Andras Jones: 00:27:06

It's a good film and let's have the conversation about why you think

Andras Jones: 00:27:10

it's good, how you think it's good.

Andras Jones: 00:27:12

It's not an interesting conversation, which is like how

Andras Jones: 00:27:14

I think the film you love is bad.

Andras Jones: 00:27:16

And I would apply that to.

Andras Jones: 00:27:19

Everything.

Andras Jones: 00:27:20

Yeah.

Andras Jones: 00:27:20

That how I think what you like.dot or do.dot.is bad is the least

Andras Jones: 00:27:27

interesting conversation in the world.

Andras Jones: 00:27:30

And why are you into that thing that I think is, is an interesting conversation.

Amanda Lux: 00:28:18

I downloaded the app and I had no idea you had that.

Amanda Lux: 00:28:21

It was so exciting.

Amanda Lux: 00:28:23

I love it.

Amanda Lux: 00:28:25

Absolutely love it.

Amanda Lux: 00:28:26

And I wrote in my question , you know, I got up this morning and I was really

Amanda Lux: 00:28:30

meditating on this interview , so I wrote down, as I prepare for this

Amanda Lux: 00:28:35

interview with Andras on a lone travelers podcast , what is at the heart of it?

Amanda Lux: 00:28:42

What is the most important thing for me to know?

Amanda Lux: 00:28:45

, how do I prepare, what do I need to hold in my mind?

Amanda Lux: 00:28:47

You know?

Amanda Lux: 00:28:48

And the answer I got was this song called cheese

Andras Jones: 00:28:53

By Dan Bern.

Andras Jones: 00:28:54

Yes.

Andras Jones: 00:28:55

cheese cheese cheese cheese

Amanda Lux: 00:28:58

She, jeez.

Amanda Lux: 00:29:00

It was cheese.

Amanda Lux: 00:29:01

That was the song.

Andras Jones: 00:29:05

It looks like it was recorded.

Andras Jones: 00:29:07

Live on chaos and Olympia on November 21st, 2006.

Andras Jones: 00:29:21

my mama told me about the four basic food groups, milk, dairy

Andras Jones: 00:29:26

bread, fruits, and vegetables.

Andras Jones: 00:29:29

I learned them religiously and tried hard to have them not for every meal.

Andras Jones: 00:29:33

Then every day, a balanced diet is awfully important.

Andras Jones: 00:29:38

For instance, Fisher rolls and milk and pee, but on the road, all that.

Andras Jones: 00:29:48

Something sharp black girl can be absolutely stunning.

Andras Jones: 00:29:52

But last week I had moderate JAG, five days running every now and then

Andras Jones: 00:29:57

I say, and some crackers, but usually

Andras Jones: 00:30:11

um, baby, come with me on some of my great adventure every now and then we'll stop a

Andras Jones: 00:30:19

little while in Paris or London or wrong.

Andras Jones: 00:30:24

We can have some caviar in central pay.

Andras Jones: 00:30:28

I have a flat Ali is the key, but

Andras Jones: 00:30:40

on the road, all like.

Andras Jones: 00:30:45

Cheese cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese.

Andras Jones: 00:30:53

Jay's Jay's Jay's Jay's

Andras Jones: 00:30:59

mostly.

Andras Jones: 00:31:05

Um, yeah.

Andras Jones: 00:31:07

Hmm.

Amanda Lux: 00:31:11

How does that for you?

Andras Jones: 00:31:13

Oh

Andras Jones: 00:31:17

yeah, that was a lot.

Andras Jones: 00:31:25

His format just turns a, uh, could turn a goofy little song

Andras Jones: 00:31:31

into like the most gut wrenching.

Andras Jones: 00:31:37

I dunno, hug.

Andras Jones: 00:31:39

What did you get out of that as the answer to your question,

Amanda Lux: 00:31:43

I knew that we were going to be meeting today and I knew that you

Amanda Lux: 00:31:45

were fasting, you're fasting right now.

Amanda Lux: 00:31:48

And I have been.

Amanda Lux: 00:31:52

preparing to do a deeper cleanse,

Amanda Lux: 00:31:55

so I was thinking deeply this morning about what is a cleanse for me.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:00

And where does cheese fit into that?

Amanda Lux: 00:32:04

I was literally, I was thinking 'cause I don't, I didn't even

Amanda Lux: 00:32:09

want cheese when I was in Mexico.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:11

And I was, it was so easy to just have juice every day.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:13

But since I got home and I'm in this environment, right.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:17

I just want to eat cheese.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:18

I don't know.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:19

It's bad.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:20

I don't know.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:20

It's comfort.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:22

There's something about it.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:23

I loved the song.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:24

I love the melody.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:26

I love the way he sings.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:27

It is very heartfelt to me.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:30

It puts me in my heart when I hear it.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:33

And it's kind of light and silly.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:35

And I definitely felt that , knocking on my door this morning.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:39

I always pay attention to the epiphany's that come in the morning.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:42

Not always have a lot of them, but the more I have, the more

Amanda Lux: 00:32:46

I'm like, this is a good day.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:47

This is an interesting day.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:48

I've had a lot of epiphany's before noon.

Amanda Lux: 00:32:50

So today was one of those days and I was really contemplating the beauty of,

Amanda Lux: 00:32:57

life as an art form in and of itself that when we really pay attention

Amanda Lux: 00:33:03

to synchronicity and we really honor, , that everything is sacred.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:09

It really does bring us full circle into that sacred fool place where

Amanda Lux: 00:33:13

everything is also equally as ridiculous,

Amanda Lux: 00:33:17

so I was in that space with it.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:19

I'm like, wow, this is profound and ridiculous.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:21

It's cheese.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:22

There's nothing cheesier than cheese itself.

Andras Jones: 00:33:26

Exactly, exactly.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:29

Yeah.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:29

I felt moved by it.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:31

I loved the song.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:32

, but I'm curious, what was your take on it?

Amanda Lux: 00:33:34

It felt like it moved emotion.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:36

Yeah.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:36

I

Andras Jones: 00:33:36

Can't really, I, I don't think I could really explain.

Andras Jones: 00:33:41

I will try.

Andras Jones: 00:33:43

There's just stuff that's going on in my life where the ID, like the

Andras Jones: 00:33:47

four basic food groups are bullshit and the song starts with my mom

Andras Jones: 00:33:51

taught me about the four basic food groups and sort of accepting that

Andras Jones: 00:33:56

some fundamental things that I always believed or counted on were as.

Andras Jones: 00:34:05

Valid as the four food groups.

Andras Jones: 00:34:07

Right.

Andras Jones: 00:34:08

And, uh, so that hit me at first.

Andras Jones: 00:34:13

And then, uh, and then just, and then being transported back to that

Andras Jones: 00:34:19

time with Dan, which was a simpler time for all of us was really potent.

Andras Jones: 00:34:27

And

Andras Jones: 00:34:32

that was like the, those were like the, the sparks of kindling and Tinder going.

Andras Jones: 00:34:38

And then just the wash of being, uh, being back in the space of

Andras Jones: 00:34:44

synchronicity and radio eight ball.

Andras Jones: 00:34:49

It reminds I, for years, I told you I used to tour for years.

Andras Jones: 00:34:53

And the last tour I went on, I started in Boston on September 8th, 2001.

Andras Jones: 00:35:01

So something happened three days into my.

Andras Jones: 00:35:05

Across America.

Andras Jones: 00:35:06

And when I would perform, I would always, I couldn't perform without crying.

Andras Jones: 00:35:13

It's gonna be confusing when I say that that's part of my like erotic expression,

Andras Jones: 00:35:18

like dancing, laughing, crying.

Andras Jones: 00:35:21

That's one of the ways that energy moves through me when I'm incredibly inspired.

Andras Jones: 00:35:25

It's also impossible to saying, try talking when you're on the verge of tears.

Andras Jones: 00:35:30

Now imagine trying to sing in front of a group of people.

Andras Jones: 00:35:35

And you know, that the fact that you're crying knows that you're

Andras Jones: 00:35:38

getting to the place where the song needs to get, but your instrument

Andras Jones: 00:35:41

is constricting as you're doing it.

Andras Jones: 00:35:45

And, uh, and a lot of other stuff.

Andras Jones: 00:35:47

And it was just a lot of trauma in trying to do with art when you're,

Andras Jones: 00:35:50

when you're young in a big way.

Andras Jones: 00:35:53

And I was just so hurt and it was just coming through.

Andras Jones: 00:35:56

Um, and radiate ball got to that point a couple, a few, a couple of years ago when

Andras Jones: 00:36:01

I started the world is wrong in the middle of the beginning of COVID we're doing it.

Andras Jones: 00:36:04

And then just everyone just got so confused about based upon

Andras Jones: 00:36:08

whatever their reality tunnels were.

Andras Jones: 00:36:10

And I just felt like it just, wasn't a safe space to explore.

Andras Jones: 00:36:16

And since I've stepped away with it from it, I kind of know that

Andras Jones: 00:36:20

I have hurt and trauma around it.

Andras Jones: 00:36:21

But as soon as we opened up that portal is just like taking a psychedelic.

Andras Jones: 00:36:26

The universe is right there just saying, Hey, I love you.

Andras Jones: 00:36:29

I can't take,

Andras Jones: 00:36:34

you know, tell me anything else.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:37

Yes.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:38

Yes.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:39

Wow.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:40

So, so that's the heart of it.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:43

there's heart at the heart of it.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:45

And some broken heart and some universal love and things

Andras Jones: 00:36:50

to clear that.

Andras Jones: 00:36:52

I wrote a new song recently called just get out of my head, which is the choruses.

Andras Jones: 00:36:56

Get out of my head, get out of my heart.

Andras Jones: 00:36:58

This is that's my mantra.

Andras Jones: 00:36:59

I'll share it with you people, if there's any, just get out of

Andras Jones: 00:37:01

my head, get out of my heart.

Andras Jones: 00:37:03

You know, I know it might sound counterintuitive because

Andras Jones: 00:37:08

they'll just keep coming back.

Andras Jones: 00:37:09

That's fine.

Andras Jones: 00:37:11

Good boundaries and good boundaries are really hard.

Andras Jones: 00:37:14

Yeah.

Andras Jones: 00:37:15

Yeah.

Andras Jones: 00:37:15

It's very true because the world is wrong.

Andras Jones: 00:37:17

Fortunately, unfortunately, earth is right.

Andras Jones: 00:37:22

Nature is right.

Andras Jones: 00:37:24

This interaction synchronicity is right.

Andras Jones: 00:37:27

But the world, the critical world that makes things mean things.

Andras Jones: 00:37:32

And I mean that in both ways makes things mean things right.

Andras Jones: 00:37:37

That world is wrong.

Andras Jones: 00:37:38

And now I'm, that's, that's where I'm at right now.

Andras Jones: 00:37:42

It's like trying to just get in the scrum and, and defend the

Andras Jones: 00:37:48

helpless works of art against.

Andras Jones: 00:37:52

The mean and wrong world.

Andras Jones: 00:37:55

And that's why bring it back to this podcast that you're doing.

Andras Jones: 00:38:00

And this is why, why I was so inspired because I was like, oh, here's someone

Andras Jones: 00:38:05

who's doing the synchronicity work, who is not as wounded as I am by

Andras Jones: 00:38:10

the experiences that I had with it.

Andras Jones: 00:38:13

And I think that brings me, can we end on my question for the pop-up

Andras Jones: 00:38:18

you inspired this question, I'm asking this question to you and about

Andras Jones: 00:38:21

you, but including the audience is the next host of radio eight ball,

Andras Jones: 00:38:28

listening to this musical divination.

Andras Jones: 00:38:31

And now I'm going to give it a shake and we'll get our answer.

Andras Jones: 00:38:41

What's it

Amanda Lux: 00:38:42

going to be?

Andras Jones: 00:38:44

What's it going to be?

Andras Jones: 00:38:45

Oh, Amelie Julac little spider.

Andras Jones: 00:38:56

It's wonderful.

Andras Jones: 00:39:00

It's smart fantastical and barber.

Andras Jones: 00:39:13

And know that I'm a spider spinning what I will.

Andras Jones: 00:39:16

Yes.

Andras Jones: 00:39:17

You know that I'm a spider waiting for

Andras Jones: 00:39:27

but I love you.

Andras Jones: 00:39:30

And you should trust me.

Andras Jones: 00:39:34

You know, you need me.

Andras Jones: 00:39:37

That is how it must be.

Andras Jones: 00:39:41

If you'd say it back and open up your mouth slightly wider.

Andras Jones: 00:39:46

Maybe I would stop acting like such a little spider.

Andras Jones: 00:39:56

Don't be gloomy.

Andras Jones: 00:40:00

I am.

Andras Jones: 00:40:00

Your mother was, or when it got swim, they will have each other.

Andras Jones: 00:40:11

Well, I tell you when the swirl there is true evil, well, I'll protect.

Andras Jones: 00:40:16

Just stab into my way.

Andras Jones: 00:40:25

Don't be afraid, dear.

Andras Jones: 00:40:28

I am your mother when it gets RMD.

Andras Jones: 00:40:35

Well, Javier either

Andras Jones: 00:40:42

without me, you'd be all alone and frigid freezing frightful weather,

Andras Jones: 00:40:52

but you are safe out of a war with me.

Andras Jones: 00:40:55

We're both in this together.

Andras Jones: 00:41:00

Yes.

Andras Jones: 00:41:01

Without me.

Andras Jones: 00:41:02

You'd be all alone.

Andras Jones: 00:41:04

Out in the cruel cruel world.

Andras Jones: 00:41:10

I take you out, dust you off your hair.

Andras Jones: 00:41:15

Gets washed and curl.

Andras Jones: 00:41:49

Um,

Andras Jones: 00:41:58

cover.

Andras Jones: 00:42:02

Yes.

Andras Jones: 00:42:02

I remember all the silly things I said, but darlin you're no use to me if

Andras Jones: 00:42:13

which brings to mind the fact that you're still in my now I'll wrap you

Andras Jones: 00:42:23

up in cell and feed your mother's milk.

Andras Jones: 00:42:27

And then my dear bye.

Andras Jones: 00:42:34

As soon as you engage this.

Andras Jones: 00:42:37

Like with the psychedelic, the, all the realities and all the different

Andras Jones: 00:42:41

points of views and perspectives merge in a really powerful way, sort of like

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in a dream or with a synchronicity.

Andras Jones: 00:42:48

If you're listening to this, do you think that your, the spider talking

Andras Jones: 00:42:52

to you, are you the spider and I'm the person asking, or am I this?

Andras Jones: 00:42:57

Are you listening and thinking that I'm the spike or that radio

Andras Jones: 00:43:00

eight balls a spider, and it's going to bite off your head.

Andras Jones: 00:43:03

As I was listening, I was thinking I was going to invite someone who is going to

Andras Jones: 00:43:07

bite off my head, but in the context of what I'm saying, what I want from radio

Andras Jones: 00:43:12

eight ball, that's exactly what I want.

Andras Jones: 00:43:14

I want to be able to be the one who's playing and playing the music and someone

Andras Jones: 00:43:19

else gets to be smart and thoughtful and grounded and hold the space.

Andras Jones: 00:43:25

I don't want my head involved at all.

Andras Jones: 00:43:28

I want my voice, my fingers and my heart, my.

Amanda Lux: 00:43:32

Everything.

Amanda Lux: 00:43:33

Yes.

Amanda Lux: 00:43:33

Yes.

Amanda Lux: 00:43:34

Yes.

Amanda Lux: 00:43:35

I love that.

Amanda Lux: 00:43:36

And I'm

Andras Jones: 00:43:36

also in a place of having boundaries around the mother that are, uh,

Andras Jones: 00:43:42

that both of these songs just walloped me.

Andras Jones: 00:43:46

And that's, I think that's the experience of if you were to, if we, if we were

Andras Jones: 00:43:50

doing radio eight ball shows, and if you came to a radio eight ball show, and

Andras Jones: 00:43:52

maybe if you listen to one of our long form podcasts, or maybe you can have

Andras Jones: 00:43:57

that experience, uh, after the fact, but in the moment, this is the experience

Andras Jones: 00:44:02

is that you go there and everyone's getting the answers to their question,

Andras Jones: 00:44:05

but your thing is getting tweaked all throughout, like is like someone

Andras Jones: 00:44:12

else who's not having mother issues.

Andras Jones: 00:44:14

Isn't gonna listen to the songs in here, really that at all, they're

Andras Jones: 00:44:16

gonna hear something else, eating cheese and spiders and eating and

Andras Jones: 00:44:21

devour like, Hey, is that you know?

Andras Jones: 00:44:24

So at first I was scared listening.

Andras Jones: 00:44:26

Then I was really moved.

Andras Jones: 00:44:29

And now talking about.

Andras Jones: 00:44:31

I kind of get what the answer is for me, but it doesn't really because my

Andras Jones: 00:44:36

real answer is this passive aggressive, like help me, could someone please.

Andras Jones: 00:44:43

I built this amazing thing.

Andras Jones: 00:44:44

I built this amazing vehicle and I, for some reason am incapable of driving.

Andras Jones: 00:44:51

It it's like Moses in the promise land.

Andras Jones: 00:44:54

I'm not allowed in, especially if it's an Olympia.

Andras Jones: 00:44:57

If I come in, I will be rewarded with fists literal or figurative,

Andras Jones: 00:45:05

but someone else could do this thing.

Andras Jones: 00:45:08

And I think, especially if it was you, man,

Andras Jones: 00:45:18

you could, I, you could bite off my head and I'd be okay

Amanda Lux: 00:45:21

with it.

Amanda Lux: 00:45:24

I loved a lot of the words, , in that song.

Amanda Lux: 00:45:27

And it started out very , Fantastical and all of that, , I was on a journey

Amanda Lux: 00:45:31

with it, but I didn't ever quite know how to orient myself within the journey.

Amanda Lux: 00:45:35

It felt a little disorienting to me.

Amanda Lux: 00:45:37

I wasn't ever sure who was, what and where, and is it, is it a

Amanda Lux: 00:45:42

friend or is it pray, is it we're going to be cozy together?

Amanda Lux: 00:45:47

And then it's suddenly until the storm and now you're my food because you're good.

Amanda Lux: 00:45:53

Are you to me anymore?

Amanda Lux: 00:45:55

I love the perspective that, not being in your head , , and

Amanda Lux: 00:45:58

also of the transformation or the dismemberment of that,

Amanda Lux: 00:46:01

? Like on a shamanic level, that's

Amanda Lux: 00:46:04

. And we are always all those roles, you know, we are the predator and the

Amanda Lux: 00:46:08

prey, and I've had my own insights and revelations around that specifically

Amanda Lux: 00:46:14

that occurred in the spider.

Amanda Lux: 00:46:16

With the spider has the, , has the spiritual force of that dismemberment

Amanda Lux: 00:46:21

and have learned in my own way, what that feels like to be both

Amanda Lux: 00:46:26

on both ends and through that.

Amanda Lux: 00:46:29

So that was where I went.

Amanda Lux: 00:46:30

I did go there with that.

Amanda Lux: 00:46:32

I'm like, wow, everything that we birth, you know, everything that

Amanda Lux: 00:46:36

we, and we are the mother of, you know, we, we also kill it.

Amanda Lux: 00:46:41

And we're also that thing that we get caught in our own web.

Amanda Lux: 00:46:44

And, and then we're freeing that energy.

Amanda Lux: 00:46:47

Really, nothing dies.

Amanda Lux: 00:46:49

It just transforms.

Amanda Lux: 00:46:51

So we're freeing.

Andras Jones: 00:46:52

Yes.

Andras Jones: 00:46:54

That's the that's that's the other part is like there's this synchronicity

Andras Jones: 00:46:59

is the experience of synchronicity is the experience of a web radio.

Andras Jones: 00:47:04

Eight ball is like a web in that the goal is to capture

Andras Jones: 00:47:07

synchronicities that we then.

Andras Jones: 00:47:10

Devour and leave behind because really, if you get too hung up on any

Andras Jones: 00:47:14

one synchronicity, it can mess you up, you know, that's, you know, you

Andras Jones: 00:47:20

gotta like, there they're abundant.

Andras Jones: 00:47:22

Right.

Amanda Lux: 00:47:22

And things have a purpose until they don't.

Amanda Lux: 00:47:24

And then it's time for them to be transformed.

Amanda Lux: 00:47:27

Right.

Amanda Lux: 00:47:27

, you're my buddy will cozy up here.

Amanda Lux: 00:47:30

It's all good until that time has passed and now I'm gonna eat you.

Amanda Lux: 00:47:34

You're my food.

Amanda Lux: 00:47:34

I'm gonna, you know, and turn it into a song

Andras Jones: 00:47:36

or a poem or a story that you tell.

Andras Jones: 00:47:39

And luckily there, you know, as long as we're breathing with, there are

Andras Jones: 00:47:42

more experiences to have and more synchronicities synchronicities to have.

Andras Jones: 00:47:47

Um, I guess that's the hope.

Andras Jones: 00:47:49

There's a part of me.

Andras Jones: 00:47:49

There's the hopeful part.

Andras Jones: 00:47:50

There's the negative part, which is like, well, the internet is

Andras Jones: 00:47:53

going to bite your head off.

Andras Jones: 00:47:54

Definitely the web is going to bite your ass, but there's the other part,

Andras Jones: 00:47:58

which is that, and this is, this is the hopeful part that I would love

Andras Jones: 00:48:02

to have more access to in my life.

Andras Jones: 00:48:03

And I wouldn't radiate ball brought to me when I was very.

Andras Jones: 00:48:07

Much in the flow of it was that belief that through a synchronistic way of

Andras Jones: 00:48:12

approaching life, that if you just like the selfish, listening to a song, if

Andras Jones: 00:48:19

you really appreciate synchronicity, if you get synchronicity, then you

Andras Jones: 00:48:22

want your field to be excellent.

Andras Jones: 00:48:24

Then you meet the people, you meet with a kind of hopeful excellence

Andras Jones: 00:48:30

that if it's met even a little bit, the world just opens up and that.

Andras Jones: 00:48:38

So it's a self, like once you get that synchronicity feels

Andras Jones: 00:48:42

good and you pursue that.

Andras Jones: 00:48:46

It leads you towards intelligence.

Andras Jones: 00:48:47

It leads you towards compassion and not in a way of like, you should do this.

Andras Jones: 00:48:52

It's like, I want to feel good.

Andras Jones: 00:48:56

I want more synchronicity.

Andras Jones: 00:48:57

So I'm going to pay more attention.

Andras Jones: 00:48:58

If I pay more attention, I'm going to feel more things.

Andras Jones: 00:49:01

And if I feel more things, I'm going to think better about them and yeah,

Andras Jones: 00:49:04

and then it just keeps, keeps going.

Andras Jones: 00:49:06

And I that's why the sacred and the profane, because our

Andras Jones: 00:49:12

culture, our world is wrong.

Andras Jones: 00:49:13

It's toxic.

Andras Jones: 00:49:14

And, and it's taught us some very bad lessons, but I know that music is good.

Andras Jones: 00:49:21

It's so good.

Andras Jones: 00:49:21

But it can take a S no offense, Dan, but a stupid little song, like jeez,

Andras Jones: 00:49:28

and have me just bawling, pouring out here because music, it doesn't matter

Andras Jones: 00:49:34

what you say over it, except that when you say words over it, then that

Andras Jones: 00:49:38

generates synchronicities and whatever the cheese means to you, mother feeding

Andras Jones: 00:49:43

it to you, whatever, like it's primal.

Andras Jones: 00:49:45

And so, yeah.

Andras Jones: 00:49:46

So there is an idea that through synchronicity and a more capable hosts,

Andras Jones: 00:49:54

Even the web could be transformed through intelligent engagement, which

Andras Jones: 00:50:01

is curious and selfish engagement.

Andras Jones: 00:50:05

Uh,

Amanda Lux: 00:50:06

I think that's interesting selfish engagement, but I also think,

Andras Jones: 00:50:09

you know, you gotta be smart about being selfish, I guess not.

Andras Jones: 00:50:13

You might think you're being selfish when you put a needle in your arm.

Andras Jones: 00:50:17

Uh, would that mean that can be now that can be interpreted

Andras Jones: 00:50:20

in a million different ways.

Andras Jones: 00:50:21

Right now I'm, I'm, I'm referring to heroin.

Andras Jones: 00:50:24

We're not talking about vaccinations.

Andras Jones: 00:50:26

Uh, but if you, like, you could think that feels good for putting that needle in your

Andras Jones: 00:50:30

arm that you could think that's selfish, but it's sort of a small picture selfish.

Andras Jones: 00:50:35

So that's why synchronicity is the key because synchronicity demands attention.

Andras Jones: 00:50:44

And that is what creates intelligence.

Andras Jones: 00:50:47

If you're paying attention, you're going to learn things.

Andras Jones: 00:50:50

Right.

Andras Jones: 00:50:50

Right, right.

Andras Jones: 00:50:52

Trying to get what you want.

Andras Jones: 00:50:54

You might not, you might get what you want and

Amanda Lux: 00:50:57

you still want, right.

Amanda Lux: 00:50:58

And it opens the field too.

Amanda Lux: 00:51:00

I think what you're saying is, you know, when you're focused on your own

Amanda Lux: 00:51:04

pleasure or your own experience or your own pain, even right, when you're just

Amanda Lux: 00:51:09

focused on yourself in that selfish way, you're missing the interconnectivity

Amanda Lux: 00:51:13

and how everything we do ripples out and touches and affects everyone

Andras Jones: 00:51:17

else or even inside.

Andras Jones: 00:51:18

And then when I'm in my pain, I am the least generous when I am in a rush.

Andras Jones: 00:51:22

When I am not taking really good care of myself and integrate space, then

Andras Jones: 00:51:26

I'm not meaning in the world with attention, the way like radiate Bob

Andras Jones: 00:51:31

brings that out of me, it became a, it's a practice of doing that, but like

Andras Jones: 00:51:37

the, the, or, and, and the outgrowth.

Andras Jones: 00:51:41

Yes.

Andras Jones: 00:51:42

All of these painful experiences or difficult experiences that because

Andras Jones: 00:51:46

I see later on are really valuable and it's like, oh, okay, well, don't

Andras Jones: 00:51:50

let that ruin a very good thing.

Andras Jones: 00:51:53

As you have done so many times and recorded in front of audiences to

Andras Jones: 00:51:58

teach yourself this lesson, that hopefully you can ruin a synchronicity,

Amanda Lux: 00:52:04

but I do want to, I know we're getting to wrap it up and I want

Amanda Lux: 00:52:08

to, , clarify your question to the pop.

Amanda Lux: 00:52:12

Oracle was, is somebody listening to this right now is

Andras Jones: 00:52:17

the next host of radio eight ball listening to this podcast.

Andras Jones: 00:52:21

Right.

Andras Jones: 00:52:22

And I would just say, if you are listening to this and you feel like

Andras Jones: 00:52:25

you are the next radio eight ball host, I'm going to say something pretty

Andras Jones: 00:52:31

revolutionary here, hold your horses.

Andras Jones: 00:52:38

Because you may think you want that it's a lot of energy to plug into.

Andras Jones: 00:52:45

And this is why I created with the help of a very generous investor

Andras Jones: 00:52:49

at tremendous expense for nothing, uh, this radio weight ball app.

Andras Jones: 00:52:57

That is a way that you can do it.

Andras Jones: 00:53:01

Like you can download this app, you can ask it a question, pick a

Andras Jones: 00:53:04

song at random, see how it feels.

Andras Jones: 00:53:08

If you feel that's good, invite someone else to do it with you.

Andras Jones: 00:53:13

See how that feels.

Andras Jones: 00:53:15

If that feels good, gathered, like try and do an, uh, you know,

Andras Jones: 00:53:20

do it with a few more people.

Andras Jones: 00:53:21

And if they all like it all gathered together and then do that

Andras Jones: 00:53:25

and then get in touch with me.

Andras Jones: 00:53:27

Yes.

Andras Jones: 00:53:27

Because if you're doing that much work and it feels good, then you might

Andras Jones: 00:53:32

be the next radio eight ball host.

Andras Jones: 00:53:34

But if you think that it's an opportunity.

Andras Jones: 00:53:38

I would just, it's an opportunity,

Amanda Lux: 00:53:43

but it's you say you might be the, the spider that hosts the web and you

Amanda Lux: 00:53:48

might also be devoured and you will be all

Andras Jones: 00:53:52

of them.

Andras Jones: 00:53:53

You will be all of them.

Andras Jones: 00:53:54

And that's why, uh, yeah.

Andras Jones: 00:53:58

Yes.

Andras Jones: 00:53:58

So I would love to find the people for whom this is a pleasurable out, a

Andras Jones: 00:54:07

powerful and a useful tool and experience.

Andras Jones: 00:54:11

Yes.

Andras Jones: 00:54:12

And I also know that I entered it sort of like guns, a blazing

Andras Jones: 00:54:22

and it took 20 years of my life and many of my friends and what, you know, like

Andras Jones: 00:54:30

a lot of my reputation in ways that I.

Andras Jones: 00:54:35

That's

Amanda Lux: 00:54:35

forged you.

Amanda Lux: 00:54:39

Is there anything you want to say just for closing?

Amanda Lux: 00:54:42

Well, when

Andras Jones: 00:54:42

you hear this, there will be a website called previously

Andras Jones: 00:54:47

yours.com or Andrea jones.com.

Andras Jones: 00:54:49

You can find it either way.

Andras Jones: 00:54:51

That's where you can find my music, where you can find my stuff about my acting and

Andras Jones: 00:54:55

the films that I've produced or had songs.

Andras Jones: 00:54:57

And then you can find out about my different podcasts on

Andras Jones: 00:55:00

about the radio eight ball app.

Andras Jones: 00:55:02

If you're interested in the radio eight ball, there's a whole radio weight

Andras Jones: 00:55:04

ball page called radio eight ball.com.

Andras Jones: 00:55:07

And you can to so much to explore there, it's a little bit daunting.

Andras Jones: 00:55:11

I would just say, go to where find a synchronicity, go look for a date or an

Andras Jones: 00:55:16

artist or something that's interesting to you and just start to dig in there.

Andras Jones: 00:55:20

And if you want to just have fun.

Andras Jones: 00:55:23

Because radio, April is fun, but it's also challenging.

Andras Jones: 00:55:26

Come check out the world is wrong.

Andras Jones: 00:55:27

Podcast.

Andras Jones: 00:55:28

Find a movie that you think that your tie, that you've heard, that you love, that

Andras Jones: 00:55:32

you've heard people say bad stuff about.

Andras Jones: 00:55:34

And you've gotten a little bit shy about talking about it.

Andras Jones: 00:55:36

Come listen to me.

Andras Jones: 00:55:37

And Brian, as we talk about how that film is actually great, fantastic

Andras Jones: 00:55:44

a movie that should have its art, your arms, arms thrown around it.

Andras Jones: 00:55:48

And yeah, so that's, that's my favorite thing to do right now.

Andras Jones: 00:55:53

Other than right now, this is my favorite thing to do because this was fantastic.

Andras Jones: 00:55:57

And, and I also say congrats, just congratulations on

Andras Jones: 00:56:02

having an awesome podcast.

Andras Jones: 00:56:03

And, uh, I am obviously incredibly moved and inspired by it.

Andras Jones: 00:56:07

And, uh, if P if I talk too much, just know that I'm sure that the

Andras Jones: 00:56:11

next guest will be a better listener.

Andras Jones: 00:56:15

And I just had a lot to say I've been just sitting on it and Amanda's

Andras Jones: 00:56:18

the only person I know who I.

Andras Jones: 00:56:21

Can I have this conversation with, and for some reason, I'm the kind

Andras Jones: 00:56:24

of person who can only really talk truthfully if they're being recorded.

Andras Jones: 00:56:29

So

Amanda Lux: 00:56:33

I don't know about that, but,

Andras Jones: 00:56:34

well, it brings out something.

Andras Jones: 00:56:36

I know that there's something, it opens up a channel

Amanda Lux: 00:56:39

in the yes, totally, totally.

Amanda Lux: 00:56:42

It's beautiful.

Amanda Lux: 00:56:43

Thank you for sharing your channel and for participating in bringing it.

Amanda Lux: 00:56:48

I really appreciate it.

Amanda Lux: 00:56:49

And I really appreciate and honor you.

Andras Jones: 00:56:53

Thank you.

Andras Jones: 00:56:53

Thank you.

Andras Jones: 00:56:55

cheese cheese cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese,

Amanda Lux: 00:57:00

cheese, cheese,

Andras Jones: 00:57:03

cheese, cheese, cheese on the pot.

Andras Jones: 00:57:06

All we eat is GS.

Andras Jones: 00:57:09

Cheese cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese,

Andras Jones: 00:57:17

cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese,

Andras Jones: 00:57:23

mostly.

Andras Jones: 00:57:45

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Traveler's guide to the divine.

Andras Jones: 00:57:50

Please check out the show notes for more information on Andreas

Andras Jones: 00:57:54

Jones, the musicians who were featured in this episode, and be

Andras Jones: 00:57:58

sure to check out all of his links to his website previouslyyours.com.

Andras Jones: 00:58:03

So you can learn about his current film and musical projects, as well

Andras Jones: 00:58:06

as his book, accidental initiations in the Kabbalistic tree of Olympia..

Andras Jones: 00:58:12

I also want to invite you to reach out to myself or Andras, if you would like

Andras Jones: 00:58:16

to weigh in on your interpretation of his question, pose to the pop

Andras Jones: 00:58:21

Oracle about whether you think I should be the next host of radio

Andras Jones: 00:58:25

eight ball, or maybe you should be the next host of radio eight ball.

Andras Jones: 00:58:30

So please do feel free to reach out.

Andras Jones: 00:58:33

Give us your interpretation.

Andras Jones: 00:58:34

Let us know if the song was speaking to you personally.

Andras Jones: 00:58:38

And if so, how, and as always know that you are invited for free to join me for

Andras Jones: 00:58:44

any of my monthly conscious dream circles, check out the free classes and resources

Andras Jones: 00:58:48

I have for you in the show notes and a huge thank you for liking sharing,

Andras Jones: 00:58:53

following, and reviewing this podcast.

Andras Jones: 00:58:55

May this deepen your own inquiry and exploration of

Andras Jones: 00:58:58

your night dreams, your energy.

Andras Jones: 00:59:01

The waking dream of your life and of course, synchronicity in the

Andras Jones: 00:59:06

best and highest way possible.

Andras Jones: 00:59:08

It is such an honor to be in sacred community with you.